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  • Lindsay became a registered member 4 days, 5 hours ago

  • I planted Amalia Olson in the fall of 2016, was astonished with its perfect form and bright white color next summer. (I live in Alaska.) In summer 2018 I left also one bud to save some energy for development and the flower was not as perfect as the year before.  This summer I was surprised with the flowers – they were not pure white. I am sure…[Read more]

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  • Dear Hanna,

    Sorry that your question sat here for a while unanswered.  I was not paying as much attention as I should have !

    I understand what you mean.  Should we see differences when we do a “reverse cross” ?

    My sense is that theoretically there should be some differences.  I’m not very knowledgeable about genetics, but since no one with mo…[Read more]

  • My “philosophy” or “way of thinking” about peony breeding is guided by a number of principles and factors.
    I think I have seen fairly strong evidence that peonies generally do better with outcrossing, i.e. th

    • Dear Paul,

      It certainly was a pleasure to read your article. Hybridizers often work in semi-isolation it seems, so it was interesting to see how many conclusions that you and I share. As you said, wonderful looking seedlings don’t always look as wonderful as they first did, when we originally saw them. “Advanced selections” from seedling beds, when grown from divisions can sometimes cause a person to wonder if the right plants were dug, or what it was that we saw in them in the first place. This is not always the case (thank goodness) but it seems to be often enough.

      Like yourself, I have the looming feeling that time is short, and will try and bring promising seedlings into my breeding program as fast as I can. While it might be more prudent to wait until such seedlings have proven themselves, I think we’ve both seen the often-surprising variety that can come from even the most well-considered crosses. I consistently get a few pure white flowers when using the pollen of Old Faithful, which goes to illustrate something or other.

      I’m afraid I fall victim to the “magic cross” idea sometimes, in that if I’ve produced a seedling that seems intriguing, I tend to make a whole lot of identical crosses using it’s pollen. There have been several instances where I’ve grown out over100 seedlings of a single cross, simply out of curiosity for the variety of results I might get. Often these crosses will involve pollens from the sorts of rare triploid x tetraploid seedlings you mention, as like yourself, I’m always trying to produce those as well. One other benefit from making a large number of identical crosses is that I can somewhat-reliably tell myself that I have indeed gotten a pretty fair idea of what that cross can do, what sorts of interesting trends may show up in it’s seedlings, and whether it’s really a cross that’s worth doing again or not. Which sometimes it is.

      Each spring it’s always my planned intention to make certain crosses, and sometimes matters do come together where I’m able to do that, by using the mature plants I have at my home. But since my seedling beds are 150 miles away, like yourself, I also do a lot of “on the fly” hybridizing as well. While I’d rather be more well-planned-out with such crosses, I’m often forced to use whatever presents itself when I have limited time in the fields. And plan on “variation” to save the day.

      As to hybridizing priorities, I seem to be putting strong stems at the head of the list more and more these days. When it comes time to do selection in the seedling beds ( the nursery digs on a strict rotation, so it’s do-or-die when selection time rolls around ) there can be a lot of plants, we often don’t have much time to consider them, and we end up going down the rows quite rapidly. In almost every instance I find that stem strength is the first thing I find myself instinctively paying attention to, as unless there is something truly exceptional about a flower, I know in the back of my mind that although there are a lot of variables to consider, seedlings with poor stems are likely to find their way to the compost pile sooner or later. The nursery is a big operation, and often it’s a long way out to the seedling beds, and one passes through many rows of classic varieties along the way. As one walks, it becomes hard to ignore the fact that hybrids which have stood the test of time generally all have good stems.

      Saving plants to use in breeding is often another story though. Again, I’ll favor plants with impressive plant habit, parentage which seems promising, and if I’m using it as a pod parent, carpals that will indeed make seeds. In instances like this, often the nature of the flowers themselves sometimes seem to be my last concern. That said, it’s difficult to resist using pollen off of flowers which are “intriguing”. Even plants with bad stems can produce seedlings with stems which are good, but they’d better have a flower of some very specific interest, or I’m unlikely to use them.

      As you may have seen, sometimes there is some predictability to our crosses. I’ve produced some rows of whites myself, using pollen from promising white varieties on mother plants which are not always so white. Lemon Chiffon seems to produce a lot of yellows if it even looks at anything else with the slightest hint of yellow in it, or if it looks at anything of any other color for that matter. In all my efforts, I may have produced one seedling that has yellow which is a bit deeper than that of Lemon Chiffon, so it’s encouraging that you are finding some success with that.

      Nice reds seem to be a thing that I’m still fumbling around with. Crosses which by all rights should produce good reds produce muddy or purplish reds instead. I suspect there are ways around this, but I still have some ways to go with my own efforts.

      In any case, it was wonderful to read about your experiences, and to read about them here on this site. In the past hybridizers seemed able to keep in touch, so it’s sort of surprising that in this high-tech era, we still seem to be looking for a good location for that.

      Bob Johnson, Oregon, USA

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  • The more I read about peony hybridizing the more stupid I feel. So many new questions every day…

    One thing I´ve been thinking about is about the quality of seedlings after a cross by the same parents, but with the difference that in group one you cross seeds from A x pollen from B, but in group two you do the opposite. Seeds from B x pollen…[Read more]

  • Last year Pietertje Vriend Wagenaar was honored with the Gold Medal 2018 and thus became the 2019 peony of the year (this year the award went to Angel Emily). For me it was a bit unexpected as I would have chosen

    • Bob replied 3 weeks ago

      I’ve had signs of this same sort of speckled pigmentation show up in some of my herbaceous hybrid seedlings. Nothing as dramatic as happened with ‘The Fawn’ but it does seem like a phenomenon which can show up in other instances too.

      Bob Johnson

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  • A nice website about peony research is HortAlaska. Maintained by Pat Holloway it follows all good (scientific) peony publications with some remarks and readers can

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  • Hi Hannah
    I am a member of the Peony society..if you are interested i can share the seed list that comes from this years growing – But.. you will have to know.. many of this seedlings is open pollinated..

    so the seeds is : Of this mother peony ( name ) – and the father is often open pollinated ( pollen )
    This means that it is NOT the same peony…[Read more]

  • Hi Carsten

    No i will not participate in this conference – the only thing i have done with this, to me many mails about buying their tree peonies.. was to give them some advise..

    As they grow use to grow their tree peonies by seedlings.. and the seedlings that looked as some of the named ones, they gave the seedling.. the name –  it was not, as…[Read more]

  • Shona became a registered member 1 month, 3 weeks ago

  • That is a shame, but thanx for the answer though!

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